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20 June 2007

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mwanji
1.

That Ian Williams's Krapanos's contributions follow each other is hilarious.

Tim Rutherford-Johnson
2.

Green Gartside is about the only one in that piece to even attempt a sensible argument based on, you know, the music...

ec
3.

Actually I think you're both wrong about Television having "the ethos of a jam-band" - either you guys don't understand the so-called ethos of a jam-band or you guys aren't that familiar with Television. Long solos do not equate the ethos of a jam-band!! Television has always based their playing, soloing and all, around well defined structures and riffs - with Richard Lloyd in particular putting lots of time into the structure of his parts. Tom Verlaine's soloing if often exploratory but always within a defined structure. There is very little that would constitute "jamming" as those in the jam-band world would see these things. The point you guys make has been made many times however (it seems that to most long solos do equate to the jam-band ethos), so much so that the point has been raised to Verlaine and Lloyd themselves in interviews over the years - always soundly trumped by the men themselves. Regardless, it's good to see some Television coverage out there.

DJA
4.

Television has always based their playing, soloing and all, around well defined structures and riffs - with Richard Lloyd in particular putting lots of time into the structure of his parts. Tom Verlaine's soloing if often exploratory but always within a defined structure. There is very little that would constitute "jamming" as those in the jam-band world would see these things.

EC, these are all excellent points and I don't disagree with any of them. But when Karpanos says "the ethos of a jam band," he's not speaking from any deep understanding of different ways of soloing. He's just observing that Television are not fundamentally averse to long virtuosic guitar solos, and in his view, that's an inherently bad thing, regardless of how structured or effective the solos are. I think we both agree that Karpanos's view is simplistic and lame.

So I was just turning his words around on him -- "yeah, okay, so what if Television are a New York punk band that (sometimes) includes long virtuosic guitar solos -- isn't that already a more interesting concept than your band?"

Maggie Osterberg
5.

"yeah, okay, so what if Television are a New York punk band that (sometimes) includes long virtuosic guitar solos -- isn't that already a more interesting concept than your band?"

Hells yeah, says I!

Also, I've always heard Television as being more spike-y and focused than the shambolic jam bands I've heard. Dare I say, "more Jazzy?"

Reuben Radding
6.

Enjoying the TV talk. My blog is secretly named after a Tom Verlaine album & song...

Drew
7.

Coming late to this party, with an even older link, in the unlikely event you missed Matthew Fluxblog's confab with Rob Sheffield earlier this year, re many things, among them the possibility of a mix tape made up entirely of versions of "MM." Ultimately not my idea of a good time, but the 1978 version included at the bottom of this post is worth the time-investment (unless you jam econo):
http://www.fluxblog.org/2007/03/fluxblog-interview-with-rob-sheffield_01.html

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